What if there really is no "You"

last SG · 2007-12-24T13:53:55+00:00

... the thing is, if you believe that the "self" is a composite (non-inherent) then what is that which is carried over to the next life? If you do not believ...

AndrewPKYap SG

You want us to believe that after I said, "it is undisputed that Descartes was credited with the founding of modern scientific thinking" and you followed up with "Nothing in philosophy is undisputed" and you claim it is not related just as you claim that you actually understand the big words you googled and put in your posts? Rolling Eyes

... and you claim you are not a clone? You stupidity betrays you.... Laughing

AndrewPKYap SG

Classic! The words of an idiot that tries to look smart and made a fool of himself.... Mr. Green ROFLMAO!

jondizzle foshizzle SG

Stop this bickering, it's christmas. MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

Lin Yu SG

there's still ME around Laughing Mmerry Christmas

An Eternal Now SG

Merry Christmas to all!!

Not... really.

All manifestation are inseperable in one taste, but there is no such thing as a One Absolute All Pervading Consciousness or Soul behind manifestation. This belongs more to the Hindu concept.

Awareness/consciousness cannot be separated from conditions... There is no 'One Absolute' behind everything... but rather every conditioned arising, dependent arising is an absolute in itself!! The chirping of the bird outside... is an arising of an absolute... is itself pristine awareness...

Understanding this, thoughts is the universe, the experiences arising in the 'field' of the individual being is the universe... there is no 'universe' apart from that arising.. When you eat an apple, it is the entire universe that eats the apple.

The problem when nonduality is glimpsed but not the nature of emptiness and dependent arising is that the practitioner will be inclined to form concepts of a Monistic all pervading subtrate behind all things... and make funny concepts like "you are me" and "i am you" as if we share the same soul... In fact if nonduality is seen very deeply, one would see that this is false..

You'll never see anything about a universal soul in Buddhism. Yet, our true nature is all pervading and all manifestation have one taste, the manifestation of our pristine awareness.

An Eternal Now SG

Ya... realising 'no self'... but doesnt necessarily mean anything about 'non egotistic' eh... this is a paradox.. Laughing

udontknowme SG

wah. another junk thread started by yappy

*snort*

sexyfats SG

LOL

are you guys really smart or just arguing something really basic with words that are way over my head?

i think it's the latter.

This is Chit Chat forum babes, lets keep the noob english going.

this debate brings us back to the eternal question: iif there's no you, what is the purpose of life?

gigabyte14 SG

haha, fark YOU

protonhybrid SG

oh andrewykpap (sp?) and his idiocy again? not again! Evil or Very Mad

AndrewPKYap SG

... doesn't that make you stupid for for contributing to the thread.... your words betray your stupidity.

AndrewPKYap SG

... there is no paradox... "ego" like self and everything else, arises... you cannot deny it... to deny that ego arises is as bad as to consider and treat ego as inherent and to treat reality as a luminous ball of light... to consider only that form is emptiness but emptiness is never form... to those that say "it is empty", you teach them form. Laughing

AndrewPKYap SG

hahaha yes, there is that. But why do you assume that "no you" automatically suggests "no purpose" ? Laughing

I rather think that facing reality for what is it, would enable you to understand the real purpose of your life instead of living a life of delusional purpose. If the reality is that there is no purpose and reason for your life... then no amount of delusion will make it purposeful and meaningful.

On the other hand, when you confront reality for what it is, then the meaning and purpose of your life is fundamentally rooted in reality and delusion cannot enter in.

TS Kan SG

Laughing Oso ...if there is no I and you who do we need evidence for Question

TS Kan SG

I see where TS is going. The illogical mind's 'logic' to explain his 'whinings'. He cannot be held accountable because he does not exist Smile

the.owl SG

whoa sh1t, I do not exist! Help!!!!

Rigante SG

With no offence at all, I have read some of your posts and topics and finally realised where your self-centred attitude came from. Since your opinion quite obviously advocates lack of 'self', you couldn't care less about people as a whole, much less care FOR them, but only for yourself.

When you take away 'self', you take away a higher purpose or consciousness in life, and you have the impression that accountability for your deeds is nullified once you die.

Here's wishing you good luck in what you believe in and Merry Christmas.

AndrewPKYap SG

I don't recognise your nick... so as far as it concerns offence, none taken...

... it is not taking "away 'self'"; it is taking away the delusion of 'self'.

You would have to come up with the argument for a self, before you can talk about the "higher purpose or consciousness in life" or you would simply end up with a delusion.

AndrewPKYap SG

...delusions ... or beliefs... and where it concerns beliefs... Santa Claus makes believing children feel good and behave... and before you say Santa is a figment of people's imagination, try proving that Santa does not exist...

.. it is sad that 400 years after Descartes, people are still delusional... Laughing

TS Kan SG

U are spot on Exclamation Smile I can only add 'vain' to ur description. Wink

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